Europe's Last Adventure Playground: Exploring the Balkans
In a world obsessed with bucket lists and Instagram hotspots, there are still places that feel like the pages of an untold story. The Balkans—rugged, raw, and brimming with legend—are one of them.
In this episode, I sit down with adventurer and independent travel expert Annie Sisson to uncover why this overlooked corner of Europe deserves a place in every explorer’s heart. We swap stories of winding mountain roads, crumbling fortresses, secret coastlines, and cultures shaped by centuries of upheaval and resilience.
If you’ve ever dreamed of discovering a place before the world does—or you crave that old-school, edge-of-the-map feeling—this episode is your compass. The Balkans aren’t just a destination. They’re an adventure story waiting to be lived.
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Takeaways:
- Travelers have long sought destinations that remain unspoiled and free from tourists.
- The Balkan Peninsula, rich in culture, is often overlooked by mainstream tourism.
- Annie Sisson emphasizes the authenticity and unpredictability of traveling in the Balkans.
- The region offers a unique blend of languages, cultures, and landscapes, enhancing the adventure.
- Public transport in the Balkans can be challenging, hence renting a car is recommended.
- Sarajevo stands out as a magical destination, blending diverse cultures and rich history.
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Transcript
For decades, travelers have dreamed of finding the perfect destination, away from tourists unspoiled by outside forces.
Speaker A:A place just for them.
Speaker A:Alex Garland, in his classic novel the beach, suggested this was in Thailand.
Speaker A:But what if this elusive traveler's paradise isn't on a tropical shore, but hidden in.
Speaker A:In plain sight in Europe?
Speaker A:Hey, I'm Luke.
Speaker A:I'm an author of archaeological adventure novels.
Speaker A:I travel the world looking for stories to put into my books and to share with you right here on the Adventure Story podcast.
Speaker A:While the rest of Europe grows easier than ever to access, the Balkan Peninsula, where empires collide, is a place where east truly meets West.
Speaker A:Today, we're exploring this tapestry of cultures with someone who knows how to navigate its hidden wonders.
Speaker A:Annie Sisson has spent years empowering independent travelers to discover authentic experiences.
Speaker A:And she's here with us today to pull back the curtain on what might just be Europe's last true adventure playground.
Speaker A:Annie, welcome to the Adventure Story podcast.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker B:I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker A:Firstly, then, and most obviously, what do we mean by the Balkans?
Speaker A:Can you briefly sort of explain that?
Speaker A:And, and if you can go into a little bit about why, what's led to them being somewhat forgotten on Europe's tour, Europe's tourist trail?
Speaker B:Oh, sure.
Speaker B:So the Balkans is that peninsula in South Eastern Europe that includes the former Yugoslavian countries.
Speaker B:We've got Slovenia and Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, and then a little bit further down we've got Montenegro, Albania.
Speaker B:The peninsula includes Greece.
Speaker B:Though often when people talk about the Balkans, they don't really include Greece because it's its own thing.
Speaker B:We have North Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania.
Speaker B:And so that, that is the region that we're talking about when we're talking about the Balkans.
Speaker A:Yeah, I see that.
Speaker A:And why is that not.
Speaker A:I know you mentioned Yugoslavia.
Speaker A:Why is, why is that not as well known as Greece as an example?
Speaker A:Because they're very close.
Speaker A:Or Italy, you know, they're very close to sort of northern Italy as well.
Speaker A:Or Croatia perhaps.
Speaker A:Why are these countries in the middle a little bit overlooked when it comes to tourism or adventure travel?
Speaker B:During the Cold War, these countries were all behind the Iron Curtain.
Speaker B:Afterwards, there was a lot of conflict as Yugoslavia fell apart.
Speaker B:And so a lot of people in their minds think of these still as conflict heavy places.
Speaker B:And they just, you know, are still recovering from, from those times.
Speaker B:And so there's not as much tourist infrastructure.
Speaker B:They haven't focused so much on bringing tourism in.
Speaker B:But I have definitely seen that changing, which is exciting.
Speaker B:But I think that between the con.
Speaker B:The image we have in our minds of.
Speaker B:Of the.
Speaker B:That area and what it's been through that, you know, it just tends to not be the main focus for most European travelers.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.
Speaker A:And I suppose that is that begins to make this part of the world or traveling here feel slightly more authentic and unpredictable and adventurous.
Speaker B:Oh, it certainly does.
Speaker B:Because, you know, when you show up in most of these places, I mean, Croatia has become much more of a tourist destination.
Speaker B:But once you get outside of there, you will notice that.
Speaker B:I mean, it feels like you're just visiting a place.
Speaker B:This isn't a place that's been set up for you to come and view.
Speaker B:Like, if you've been to Ireland or even Italy or a lot of these places that you feel like.
Speaker B:I mean, you kind of feel like a tourist.
Speaker B:It's set up for it.
Speaker B:And so what I love about the Balkans is that you don't feel that you're just.
Speaker B:It's like visiting a small town somewhere that, like, oh, people are often surprised.
Speaker B:Why are you here?
Speaker B:So I love that it feels very much like hidden gems off the beaten path.
Speaker A:Yeah, I remember that from my experiences there.
Speaker A:But it's also not massively sort of difficult place to travel.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not at all.
Speaker A:It doesn't feel difficult to travel.
Speaker A:But I suppose you do have a lot of different languages, different.
Speaker A:Different alphabets, different cultural practices, sometimes even different money.
Speaker A:How does this change your.
Speaker A:Your sense of adventure when traveling in that region?
Speaker B:Yeah, it does feel like it is a little more adventurous because, you know, a lot of times there's border crossings between one country.
Speaker B:Even though they're very close together, you still have to go through a border crossing, which feels like something different.
Speaker B:And yes, the money changes and the language changes, and because you don't see all of the signs in English.
Speaker B:And so it just feels more adventurous, like I'm, you know, off in a part of the world that most people have never even thought about, let alone visited.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:Or not even realized existed.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:I suppose because they're all quite small countries, they.
Speaker A:They don't play on the world stage in the same way that some of the big European countries do or some of the other big countries around the world.
Speaker A:You don't think, oh, I must go to Montenegro, you know, because it's.
Speaker A:Because it's there, you know, because it's the thing.
Speaker A:What led you to visit that part of the world initially, Then how did you end up there.
Speaker B:Gosh.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I will keep this as short as possible.
Speaker B:So, I mean, growing up, I remember seeing these places, you know, on the tv, and not necessarily for positive reasons.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like conflict and that sort of thing.
Speaker B: And then in: Speaker B:I just had a rental car and some camping gear and decided to have a wander.
Speaker B:You know, obviously, I'd seen beautiful pictures of Croatia.
Speaker B:Plitvisa national park was one of the things that kind of inspired the trip.
Speaker B:But I didn't know where I was going to go.
Speaker B:And as I started wandering, I would just talk to people, get their recommendations and kind of follow, let that generate my itinerary as I went along.
Speaker B:And I started in Prague and just ended up heading south.
Speaker B:And, you know, Slovenia was my first stop, and I was absolutely blown away.
Speaker B:It is one of the most beautiful places I have been, and I absolutely want to go back.
Speaker B:And from that point forward, I just fell in love with the Balkans.
Speaker B:I made my way through Croatia and Bosnia on that trip, up through Hungary, but, like, those were my main Balkan countries.
Speaker B:And since then, I've been back multiple times because there's just.
Speaker B:It was such a delightful surprise, and there's so much there that.
Speaker B:Yep, now I'm a fan.
Speaker A:I get that.
Speaker A:I understand that.
Speaker A:And I think it has an attitude there of making it feel like an adventure, doesn't it?
Speaker A:If you go to France or to Spain or to Germany, it's very easy to travel.
Speaker A:The trains run relatively frequently.
Speaker A:You know, the hotels are nice, even if you don't speak the language.
Speaker A:The money's all the same, Whatever.
Speaker A:But there's something about what you've described that you feel like you're going into an unknown.
Speaker A:Aren't you discovering things that you'd never heard of before or never never realized existed before?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it feels.
Speaker B:I mean, I didn't get to do this back before the Internet was widely available, but it.
Speaker B:It's what I imagine, you know, backpacking through Europe in, you know, like, the 90s felt like where there's just not as much connectivity.
Speaker B:Things are.
Speaker B:Yeah, like you said, not.
Speaker B:It's not chain hotels we're not looking at, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The frequent buses and trains and things are still very much like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it feels like you're kind of winging it sometimes.
Speaker B:There's a lot more to figure out, which I think is part of what makes it feel like an adventure.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Absolutely right.
Speaker A:Absolutely right.
Speaker A:You mentioned a moment ago renting a car Is that something you suggest for going around this region?
Speaker A:Are there trains and buses and other such, you know, public transport there?
Speaker B:There are buses are the way to get around.
Speaker B:There's limited, there's some train, but not a lot.
Speaker B:So if you don't want to drive, there are buses that connect everything.
Speaker B:However, time functions a little bit differently in the Balkans that, you know, we have a schedule that is somewhat a suggestion that things may or may not actually run on time, which is fine.
Speaker B:I actually appreciate, really appreciate the laid back nature of, of, you know, life in the Balkans.
Speaker B:But yes, renting a car is the best way to really get off the beaten path and see some of the things that are a little bit harder to get to on public transport.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that adds to the adventure, doesn't it?
Speaker A:That's part of the, part of the thing people talk about the food there being, being worth the journey just on its own.
Speaker A:What should we look out for?
Speaker A:What should we seek when we're there?
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:I, yeah, all the food, all the food.
Speaker B:I am here for it.
Speaker B:And what I love is that you can see the influences.
Speaker B:Like for example, you know, in Bosnia and Albania there is a heavy Turkish influence.
Speaker B:So a lot of the, the food in that region is very reminiscent of what you would get in Istanbul, so just very savory.
Speaker B:I mean, this is not the, the vegetarian paradise.
Speaker B:It is very meat centric, but other parts, like Romania, I found that the food was, I mean, it's amazing, but it's very more much reminiscent of, you know, German or Czech.
Speaker B:Like it has that more heavily Eastern European influence.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And man, the Balkans love their sweets.
Speaker B:They have some great desserts.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're you.
Speaker B:There will be no shortage of dessert and coffee time.
Speaker B:But yeah, the, I love the variety from country to country.
Speaker A:I remember the coffee being particularly good.
Speaker A:This tiny little shot of something so strong you could probably pour out the cup and it would stay in there.
Speaker A:And yeah, you just get one sip because the rest of it's sort of silt at the bottom of the, of the, of the cup there.
Speaker B:Yes, it is Bosnian coffee.
Speaker B:I mean, can't beat it.
Speaker A:Making me want to visit again.
Speaker A:Do you think these destinations are emerging from being off the beaten path?
Speaker A:And do you, how do you feel about that?
Speaker A:And do you think there are certain places that still offer that authentic experience?
Speaker B:Yeah, I do think they are emerging.
Speaker B:I have mixed feelings about that because I think they are such incredible places and I want everyone to experience them.
Speaker B:And at the same time, I don't Want to see them turn into overly commercialized over tourist centered places because that's what makes them so wonderful.
Speaker B:So it is, it's a bit of a double edged sword, I do think.
Speaker B:I mean Croatia I think is probably the most well known and visited at this point.
Speaker B:It seems to me that Albania and Bosnia are still prob.
Speaker B:And Bulgaria are kind of the least visited.
Speaker B:Maybe north Macedonia I would put in there too.
Speaker B:So those are probably still the, the quieter spots, but even those are kind of up and coming depending on what part of the country you want to visit.
Speaker A:Yeah, I suppose that's it, isn't it?
Speaker A:If you dependent on your taste is, is perhaps Croatia is easier because of the, the direct flights and the, and there's more set up for tourists and as you say, the more, the more, the further you go into, into these places, the more difficult or the more challenging it might be.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you can still get off the beaten path.
Speaker B:And in all of these places there's still, I mean even like Romania, right.
Speaker B:Like people go and visit Transylvania and that has become more popular.
Speaker B:However, if you head over to like the, the Black Sea coast, you're not going to, I mean you might encounter Romanian tourists or other tourists from the Balkans, but this is not where you're going to find, you know, crews of Americans and Australians and other others that you would typically encounter on the tourist.
Speaker A:Trail in Rome or Paris or Berlin or wherever.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker A:So this region has multiple, numerous World Heritage sites that don't really get the attention of other European landmarks.
Speaker A:I remember going to Butrint in Albania and it felt like, it felt.
Speaker A:I mean, I write adventure novels, but it felt like I was one of those characters.
Speaker A:We were in this romance amphitheater, the only people in this Roman amphitheatre.
Speaker A:And it was just incredible.
Speaker A:You know, I've been to the Colosseum in Rome and various other Roman sites around Europe and I think this one was the most exciting for that specific reason.
Speaker A:Just being alone in this, in this place, listening to the birds in the trees in this, in this historical place, as the Romans would have done 2,000 or however long ago.
Speaker A:Which ones do you find impressive or meaningful?
Speaker A:Or are there any that you specifically think people should visit whilst there?
Speaker B:Oh man, there are, you're right.
Speaker B:There are so many.
Speaker B:There was one, there's one in Romania that is very similar to what you're talking about.
Speaker B:I believe it's called Istria.
Speaker B:But it is, I mean, my husband and I, it was a very long journey on a dirt road that Was very bumpy.
Speaker B:And we got there and it was us and some local school children, but it was the same thing.
Speaker B:It was Roman ruins that you can, you know, wander through and imagine what this was like.
Speaker B:One of my favorites in Albania was Apollonia, I believe.
Speaker B:I did not look up all of these before we got on the call, but it's that same thing.
Speaker B:It was a thriving Roman city, and an earthquake changed the way the river flows, and therefore, you know, it.
Speaker B:The city kind of died up and dissipated because of this landscape change.
Speaker B:But I mean, there are so many still intact things you can visit.
Speaker B:And then if you.
Speaker B:I mean, if you're looking, that's just like historical ruins.
Speaker B:I mean, I believe the old walled city of Dubrovnik.
Speaker B:The whole thing is a UNESCO heritage site, which is absolutely incredible.
Speaker B:Very well maintained, if you want to see.
Speaker B:Like, you know, it's one thing to walk through ruins and try and imagine what it was like, you know, but Dubrovnik, you can walk through it and you don't have to imagine.
Speaker B:It's really still very much looks like it did then, you know, and then some of the nature spots, like I said, Plitvice is one of my absolute highlight.
Speaker B:Most beautiful places I've ever visited.
Speaker B:And then this is.
Speaker B:Here's one for the.
Speaker B:My fellow bird nerds out there.
Speaker B:The Danube delta on the coast of Romania is the world's largest reed bed.
Speaker B:This is where the Danube river empties into the Black Sea.
Speaker B:And it is just a wonderland of, you know, wildlife and nature that I don't ever get to see anything like that where I live.
Speaker B:So there's the historical ones, but then there's also these incredible nature places.
Speaker B:And you can imagine what it would be like to be, you know, the first person going through this place.
Speaker B:So there's definitely that sense of adventure.
Speaker A:I feel that and have experienced that during my.
Speaker A:My visits there.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker A:So for someone planning their first Balkan adventure, what three countries would you recommend and how would you combine them as an introduction to this region?
Speaker B:Oh, that's like the hardest question ever.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:That's why I've saved it to the end.
Speaker B:I have a very special place in my heart for Bosnia, so I would absolutely make that a center point.
Speaker B:Sarajevo, particularly, I love.
Speaker B:And Croatia is, you know, if.
Speaker B:If one loves the sea, there is, you know, Croatia, that whole coast.
Speaker B:It's easy to make into a trip to Croatia, Montenegro, Albania.
Speaker B:I personally, if you are a nature lover, Slovenia, a hundred percent all day.
Speaker B:And, you know, it's one of as far as like combining these things together, it's really about how much time you have.
Speaker B:Because getting from one place to another, even if you're driving, uh, these are not super highways.
Speaker B:You are driving on two lane roads for most of the time.
Speaker B:Uh, so if you've got time, you can string them together pretty easily.
Speaker B:Um, if you are limited on time, you know, a great introduction.
Speaker B:Croatia is a great place to get a little taste and it's easy to get to Sarajevo from there.
Speaker B:And then, you know, you've also got Belgrade in Serbia that those could be some, some good introductions.
Speaker B:You know, it's hard because like, well, that's just former Yugoslavia.
Speaker B:Once you get a little bit further east, things change a bit.
Speaker B:So I would say another good introduction would be like Romania, Bulgaria and you could easily loop in Serbia or Bosnia in there too.
Speaker A:Interesting, interesting.
Speaker A:You mentioned Sarajevo a couple of times there and that that was.
Speaker A:Is a magical place, isn't it?
Speaker A:There's something very special about Sarajevo.
Speaker B:There is something very special about Sarajevo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I ended up there for longer than anticipated on my first trip thanks to a travel mishap because that's a thing that happens and absolutely fell in love with it.
Speaker B:And the people are absolutely amazing.
Speaker B:And what I always say about Sarajevo is that's where I need to go.
Speaker B:That's where I go when I need to remember how to live and what's really important and just the pace of life, the priorities and.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is a magical place.
Speaker A:What is it specifically?
Speaker A:Can you describe why it's magical?
Speaker A:I know, but I'm interested to someone who's not been there, you know, what is it that makes it so intriguing?
Speaker A:I just remember I'll share my experience whilst you're thinking.
Speaker A:I just remember walking out to that square in the middle and there's this old drinking fountain that's done in a very sort of Islamic style.
Speaker A:And behind that you've got the hills where the ski slopes were and you've just got on the outside of this very big city, these forest covered hills and the fresh air coming in.
Speaker A:It just has a real, something very magical about the contrast of the architecture, the craziness of the town, the.
Speaker A:And the countryside.
Speaker A:So very close.
Speaker A:I know nearby you've got the more modern area of the town which is a bit more sort of concrete jungle.
Speaker A:But in that old town it feels very sort of medieval, doesn't it?
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:And I think that's part of what's magical is there's, you know, this like the old town is it Feels like you're walking through what I imagine istanbul was like 500 years ago or something.
Speaker B:Like it's still has that very small, very authentic feeling.
Speaker B:And then there's this just clear line.
Speaker B:Like you cross this street and all of the sudden it feels like you're in, you know, Austria, Hungary.
Speaker B:It's, you know, the remnants of the Austro Hungarian empire.
Speaker B:Like you just cross the street and it's a totally different experience of the architecture.
Speaker B:And I also, I love the blend of like, you see minarets, you know, it's a prime.
Speaker B:It's a primarily Muslim culture, but it's where all of these things were blended.
Speaker B:So you see the Catholic church, you see the synagogues, you see, you know, the Orthodox cathedrals, like all here together.
Speaker B:And I think what makes it so magical is just how I was.
Speaker B:What I really expected was the opposite of what I experienced.
Speaker B:I expected this place that has been, you know, this was, was the hardest hit during the fall of Yugoslavia.
Speaker B:And I really expected people to be very wary of outsiders and very, you know, kind of standoffish and which would, I don't know, I feel like that would be really understandable.
Speaker B:And it was the exact opposite.
Speaker B:Everyone was so warm, so welcoming, and they really appreciate the little things of just getting to sit down and have a coffee with friends.
Speaker B:And people just aren't.
Speaker B:It's not the rat race.
Speaker B:You're not in a hurry.
Speaker B:And yes, it's in this steep valley just covered in trees.
Speaker B:And so you look around and my favorite, honestly is at the call to prayer time, you can hear the echoes off of the hills.
Speaker B:And so especially if you're walking down the street, you're just bombarded with these beautiful voices coming from a thousand places.
Speaker B:And it just is.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's magic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So exciting.
Speaker A:Giving some chills there thinking about it and remember remembering my experience there too.
Speaker A:So I ask everyone on the podcast this question.
Speaker A:Looking back, what adventure stories, whether books or movies or legends or even something that a grandparent or older relative told you sparked your fascination and your want to go and see the world?
Speaker B:Well, it's maybe not a typical adventure story in a book form, but for me it was National Geographic.
Speaker B:My grandfather used to buy us a subscription every year for Christmas.
Speaker B:And that was the adventure story.
Speaker B:I mean, even before I could read, flipping through and looking at the pictures of these far off places and people who looked so different from me, whose landscapes looked so different from anything that I've ever seen, that was really the first spark of, oh yeah, I want to Go adventure.
Speaker B:I want to see what else is out there.
Speaker A:That want to see what else is out there.
Speaker A:I think you've just sort of summarised it beautifully, Annie.
Speaker A:Then where can people find you and how can you help people discover this part of the world as well?
Speaker A:Because I know you, you help people plan trips like this.
Speaker B:I do help people plan trips along with a lot, a whole bunch of other things which I have wrangled into one place.
Speaker B:So my website is exploreannie.com so that is all of the, all of the things.
Speaker B:And as far as helping people, I love to help, whether it's, you know, I do one hour consultations.
Speaker B:I've had lots of people want to pick my brain for an hour, tell me how to get around, tell me about this place, what to see other things.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I mean from that all the way to.
Speaker B:I will help you craft your itinerary, figure out timelines, you know, put all the pieces in place.
Speaker B:This is not typical travel agent style.
Speaker B:This is very much adventure off the beaten path.
Speaker B:You're going not with a tour group, but you want to do this on your own.
Speaker B:And I love just helping people put it together, make it feel possible and then go do the thing.
Speaker A:That's wonderful.
Speaker A:That sounds great.
Speaker B:Thank you.
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